Saturday, January 18, 2014

At what point did U.S. government surveillance make democracy ineffective?

I think to be realistic about this one must say that democracy became ineffective in reality around the end of World War II and the beginning of the cold war simply because surveillance even then was really extreme. For example, if you look at what J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI did in killing people and making people disappear he didn't agree with and blackmailing people in government so they couldn't or wouldn't get rid of him, just the FBI alone made democracy ineffective by the late 1940s. Though Hoover did a lot of good for the country and ridding people of the mafia that became too strong during the Great Depression and prohibition there is also a saying, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" which was also true in the case of J. Edgar Hoover by the 1940s.

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The NSA many people don't understand was created as a response to Roswell, New Mexico and originally was seeking out people who had been contacted by beings from off planet or from the future timelines of earth. So, understanding this about "WHY?" the NSA was first created makes one understand it better now.

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The CIA was created mostly to deal with nuclear prolifieration and the very first person to die in the  CIA as an agent died when entering Tibet from China. He had been monitoring Russian nuclear tests with seismic devices. He was accidentally killed by Tibetan Authorities who were sort of ignorant about what the head of the government actually wanted. There was unclarity of whether they were supposed to bring this man alive or just his head and the person in authority didn't want to deal with transporting this man on horseback so far so beheaded him and brought his head in a box to the Tibetan leadership.

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I put the book's amazon address in case you want to read it on kindle or paperback or hardback. I have a hard back copy that I read. It is an amazing read looking back on those times.
So, the point I'm writing about now is that democracy was compromised fully by the end of World War II and the beginning of the Cold War. After that our U.S. democracy has become sort of like a religion but not really working because of just too much surveillance. People can believe in something that really no longer exists. Our democracy I find to be like that. We all want democracy to be true for us in our lives but at least at a Federal level it has been mostly a belief rather than a reality since world war II.
So, the problem is: "Can people's rights be protected under the present degree of surveillance of their lives worldwide.?" I would say right off the answer is likely "No!".
What we all do that is hard for me to say other than to recognize that this is the reality we all live in. I still like to believe in our American Democracy while still being practical enough to know it has been subverted into something else since World War II or before. Another point at which it was further subverted was during and after the assassinations of JFK, Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy. And the problem was the majority of people in the U.S. all knew we were being lied to. They still do. 

To be practical about this our real enemy is not people or governments but technology itself.

In fact, it could be said that, "Why did that technology arrive at Roswell that could be reverse engineered? Was it done on purpose to create humans without rights just like the ones that crashed in that ship or did it happen by accident?"

So, it is likely that as soon as we reverse engineered alien technology we would lose all human rights as a direct result of all this eventually like we are now with no privacy. 

Without privacy people cannot have rights and conduct their lives in ways useful to them. They will tend to self destruct when not able to create lives meaningful to them. And this is where we are today I believe. When all the people full of energy and ideas commit suicide directly or indirectly all that will be left is obedient sheep. Because of technology this might be where we are all headed unless something awful happens like a world pandemic, a nuclear holocaust or some other event that wipes out all mankind except a few who become cavemen and cave women and start all over again. So, as long as we develop technology in the ways we are doing it it is hard for me to have hope for the future. I  hope I'm wrong about this.

Because I would like to see a bright future for mankind. I have defined the problem.  Maybe one or more of you has an actual solution to our problems now and ongoing.

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