Monday, January 20, 2014

Is marijuana more dangerous than alcohol?

Is marijuana more dangerous than alcohol?

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Physicians and drug policy groups are sharply at odds over President Obama's statement to a magazine that marijuana is no more dangerous than alcohol "in terms of its impact on the individual consumer.
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President Obama: Pot not worse than alcohol

Is marijuana more dangerous than alcohol?


President Obama says that while marijuana is a vice, a waste of time and not very healthy, it's no more dangerous than alcohol. Some medical experts agree, while others take issue with his comments.

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Physicians and drug policy groups are sharply at odds over President Obama's statement to a magazine that marijuana is no more dangerous than alcohol "in terms of its impact on the individual consumer."
Obama's interview with The New Yorker magazine will appear Jan. 27. In it he said that while he considers marijuana "a bad habit and a vice," a waste of time and not very healthy, he doesn't think it's more dangerous than alcohol.
The issue is in the news as two states, Colorado and Washington, begin experiments with the legal sale of recreational marijuana this year. Both passed laws legalizing its recreational use on Nov. 6, 2012.
The president is obviously "not familiar with the science and frankly doesn't know what he's talking about," said Stuart Gitlow. He directs the Annenberg Physician Training Program in Addictive Disease at Mt. Sinai School of Medicine in New York City.
"There's no benefit to marijuana," said Gitlow. "It's simply that people want the freedom to be stoned. That's all it is. And there's a great deal of risk."
The two drugs have very different side effects, different long-term effects and different contributions to illness and death in the general population. "I would never try to compare and contrast them on something as absurd as 'dangerousness,' " he said.
Many physicians disagree. "That's a good start from the president but it's still misinformed," said Donald Abrams, chief of oncology at San Francisco General Hospital.
"In my 37 years as a physician, the number of patients I've admitted to the hospital with complications from marijuana use is zero. The number I've admitted due to alcohol use is profound," he said.
A frequent argument is that marijuana is safer because users "don't drop dead immediately, while you can overdose and die from ingesting alcohol," said Gitlow. But "nobody dies immediately from smoking cigarettes, either," he said. That doesn't make them any less dangerous.
Gitlow worries most about marijuana's effect on youth, as well as the overall lack of knowledge about its dangers. "In terms of morbidity and mortality, we're with marijuana right now where we were with tobacco back in the 1910s and 1920s."
"All the medical associations agree that there needs to be research and that we need to know what component of the drug does that," he said.
Marijuana advocates cite multiple studies they say have found marijuana to be safe.
Mason Tvert, communications director for the Marijuana Policy Project in Washington D.C., points to a World Health Organization study on the health and societal consequences of marijuana compared with alcohol, nicotine and opiates.
The report found that the risks associated with marijuana are small to moderate in size and that it is less likely to produce public health problems on the scale of those caused by alcohol and tobacco.
Alcohol is more of a social problem because it makes some people belligerent and dangerous. "Everyone knows that person who has a few drinks and gets out of control and hurts themselves or others. When people think of marijuana users, they think of someone who is a little mellower and not causing serious problems," said Tvert.
Gitlow cites studies showing marijuana use can cause loss of productivity and, in heavy users, lowered IQs. In about 1% of heavy users it can induce psychosis, he said.
"These kinds of difficulties are being completely overlooked in America's rush to have another addictive drug made available," Gitlow said.
Advocates point to evidence showing no causal relationship between marijuana use and the onset of mental health conditions. If marijuana causes psychosis, then rates of psychosis should rise if marijuana use goes up, noted Tvert. That has not happened.
Many act as if once marijuana is legal people will stop drinking alcohol but it's not an either/or situation, Gitlow said. "I suspect that in reality we'll end up with a bunch of people who are simultaneously drunk and high. It's not like kids will go to a party and say, 'I won't have a beer, I'm going to get high tonight.' "
There is clear evidence "that marijuana is objectively less harmful than alcohol," said Tvert.
"For decades, our government has been exaggerating the harms of marijuana in order to keep it illegal," he said. "The Institutes of Medicine determined that the addictive properties of marijuana are quite mild compared to those of alcohol."
To Gitlow's mind, there's no good reason to add marijuana to the mix of drugs available. "I'm still puzzled why people are rushing headlong into the legalization of a drug that has no advantage."
Abrams, an oncologist, disagrees. He spends much of his day discussing the medical use of cannabis with cancer patients. He frequently prescribes marijuana, which is legal for medical use in California, to decrease nausea, increase appetite, decrease pain and depression and aid sleep.
"I never recommend alcohol to patients as a treatment for anything," he said.
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Is marijuana more dangerous than alcohol?

I would put it this way: "Alcohol is more dangerous in that it causes fatalities, but Marijuana is more dangerous potentially to society by really bad decisions by people for up to 6 months from smoking even one joint or marijuana cigarette. So, even though Alcohol is going to cause more fatalities directly, the indirect messed up psychological behavior and bad decisions could be multiplied by 6 months for every person smoking even one joint or marijuana cigarette. Just do the math of how many people are legally going to buy and smoke marijuana now.

It is a slippery slope of ongoing damage to the infrastucture of society and culture itself not only in the U.S. but around the world.

And it will tend to create it's own underclass of people making very bad decisions ongoing including using heavier drugs that they wouldn't have logically made that decision to do that before using marijuana. 

Outside of the constructive use of marijuana for serious medical issues there is only one other potential constructive use that I can see. For some people who are young 18 to 30 who might wish to commit suicide because they are too neurotic or other reasons smoking it might save their lives simply because if they smoke it they might get to "Fuck it!" attitudes towards life where they might not then care about why they wanted to kill themselves in the first place. But other than making hemp rope (the best natural rope on earth), for medical issues like epilepsy which might not be successfully treated in any other way for children or adults, and for getting to "Fuck it" where they really don't care if they live or die which might take them to 30 and finding a way to keep on living ongoing I don't really see the usefulness other than preventing 50,000 gang related deaths per year from illegal marijuana trafficking in Mexico and the U.S.

 


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