Moderate Republicans Are Revolting Against The Push To Defund ...
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Moderate Republicans Are Revolting Against The Push To Defund ... from the right, including the Senate Conservatives Fund and Heritage Action, ... We've started to see rumblings of moderate Republican revolt this month.
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GOP descends into civil war
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This evening, House Speaker John Boehner (R) and Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R) are making their third attempt to get Obamacare changes in exchange for passing a continuing resolution to keep the government open.
They're getting some opposition from the right, including the Senate Conservatives Fund and Heritage Action, which don't like the fact that the new plan wouldn't defund Obamacare entirely.
But what's new is that Republican moderates are threatening to vote against leadership's plan because they do not want to have this fight over Obamacare. And those moderates may have enough votes to block the plan from passing.
Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) has declared his intention to vote against the rule bringing tonight's amendments to the floor. King spokesman Kevin Fogarty told Business Insider he has 25 other moderate Republicans with him against any further defund-Obamacare push on this continuing resolution.
Especially since some conservative members are likely to vote against the CR from the right, that spells big trouble for Boehner's plan. Fogarty told Business Insider that Reps. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) and Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), two of the House's most hardline conservatives, were not among the count of 20-25 moderates. Both plan to vote "no" on the amendment.
Boehner can probably only afford 17 total Republican "no" votes, since only two Democrats are likely to vote with Republican leadership.
We've started to see rumblings of moderate Republican revolt this month. When the House passed a bill cutting the food stamp program by $40 billion, 15 moderate Republicans balked on the grounds that the cuts were too big.
On Saturday, two moderate Republicans voted against amending the continuing resolution to delay Obamacare for a year, including its mandate that employer-provided health plans cover contraception.
One of those representatives, Rep. Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.), told Business Insider in an email, "as a lifelong and consistent supporter of women's rights and health care, I do not support addressing divisive social issues such as access to birth control on a last-minute continuing resolution."
On both food stamps and Saturday's CR vote, moderates didn't have enough votes to stop the House from pursuing an agenda driven by pressure from outside conservative groups. If King gets his way tonight, we'll have found the force that can stop the Jim DeMint takeover of the House GOP.
But perhaps the really radical thing is not what King plans to do but how he's talking about it. He told National Review:
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And while Boehner’s plan is sure to be rejected by Democrats, he’s got an even bigger problem: it’s not even clear that his own conference will support it.
Moderates and conservatives alike are starting to rebel, leaving Boehner exposed on the left and the right on a vote that’s supposed to show his strength in the final hours before a shutdown. That means Boehner will head into battle against a united Democratic front hobbled by an ugly civil war raging in his party.
On Boehner’s left flank, moderate Republicans who have long-warned against a confrontation over Obamacare are arguing that this may be the stop on the shutdown train where they get off.
Congressman Peter King of New York, who supported the House’s previous bill to delay Obamacare, said he planned to vote against the new measure. Not only that, he predicted to MSNBC’s Luke Russert that as many as two dozen more moderate Republicans could join him in opposing the “Ted Cruz wing.”
“I can tell you about 25 people on Saturday night who told me they were definitely going to vote no,” he said. “Now, at high noon you don’t how many of that 25 are going to stay committed, but there’s real opposition.”
Moderate Republican Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania also called on Boehner to accede to Obama’s demands and offer a clean continuing resolution.
“The hour glass is already empty and it’s time that we pass a clean CR,” he told reporters.
On the right, tea party rabble rousers like Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota will oppose the latest bill because it doesn’t go far enough in opposing Obamacare.
“For what I have done with my life as a federal tax lawyer, I wouldn’t negotiate with myself, because then I wouldn’t have a strong position,” Bachmann told reporters. It’s important we come at this with strength.”
According to Yahoo’s Chris Moody, Louie Gohmert of Texas will also oppose the bill on similar grounds.
Boehner can only afford to lose 16 Republicans votes, give or take 1 or 2 Democrats who might cross over. If his latest bill fails, it will severely damage his leverage by demonstrating his caucus is too divided to even reach a consensus starting point on negotiations.
A similar revolt during the 2012 fiscal cliff fight over the Bush tax cuts and sequestration ended with Boehner asking the Senate to reach a compromise instead, which he then passed over conservative objections with help from Democrats in the House. In this case, the damage would be greater as Democrats would likely assume Boehner’s position was compromised on the debt ceiling as well. After all, if moderates and conservatives revolt when a shutdown deadline gets close, why wouldn’t they do the same thing for the far more dangerous default deadline?
Speaker John Boehner again demanded a one-year delay of a key piece
of Obamacare, this time paired with cuts to Hill staffers’ benefits, in
exchange for funding the government. Democratic leaders say they’ll
reject it immediately. President Obama told the nation that House
leaders were provoking a shutdown thanks to ”impossible promises made to
the extreme right wing of their party.”
Moderate Republicans Are Revolting Against The Push To Defund Obamacare
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But what's new is that Republican moderates are threatening to vote against leadership's plan because they do not want to have this fight over Obamacare. And those moderates may have enough votes to block the plan from passing.
Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) has declared his intention to vote against the rule bringing tonight's amendments to the floor. King spokesman Kevin Fogarty told Business Insider he has 25 other moderate Republicans with him against any further defund-Obamacare push on this continuing resolution.
Especially since some conservative members are likely to vote against the CR from the right, that spells big trouble for Boehner's plan. Fogarty told Business Insider that Reps. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) and Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), two of the House's most hardline conservatives, were not among the count of 20-25 moderates. Both plan to vote "no" on the amendment.
Boehner can probably only afford 17 total Republican "no" votes, since only two Democrats are likely to vote with Republican leadership.
We've started to see rumblings of moderate Republican revolt this month. When the House passed a bill cutting the food stamp program by $40 billion, 15 moderate Republicans balked on the grounds that the cuts were too big.
On Saturday, two moderate Republicans voted against amending the continuing resolution to delay Obamacare for a year, including its mandate that employer-provided health plans cover contraception.
One of those representatives, Rep. Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.), told Business Insider in an email, "as a lifelong and consistent supporter of women's rights and health care, I do not support addressing divisive social issues such as access to birth control on a last-minute continuing resolution."
On both food stamps and Saturday's CR vote, moderates didn't have enough votes to stop the House from pursuing an agenda driven by pressure from outside conservative groups. If King gets his way tonight, we'll have found the force that can stop the Jim DeMint takeover of the House GOP.
But perhaps the really radical thing is not what King plans to do but how he's talking about it. He told National Review:
"If Obamacare is as bad as we
say it’s going to be, then we should pick up a lot of seats in the next
election and we should win the presidency in 2016."
If Obamacare is as bad as we say it's going to be? That's the kind of talk that makes Rush Limbaugh's head explode.end quote from:
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GOP descends into civil war
Benjy Sarlin and Suzy Khimm
5:47 PM on 09/30/2013
And while Boehner’s plan is sure to be rejected by Democrats, he’s got an even bigger problem: it’s not even clear that his own conference will support it.
Moderates and conservatives alike are starting to rebel, leaving Boehner exposed on the left and the right on a vote that’s supposed to show his strength in the final hours before a shutdown. That means Boehner will head into battle against a united Democratic front hobbled by an ugly civil war raging in his party.
On Boehner’s left flank, moderate Republicans who have long-warned against a confrontation over Obamacare are arguing that this may be the stop on the shutdown train where they get off.
Congressman Peter King of New York, who supported the House’s previous bill to delay Obamacare, said he planned to vote against the new measure. Not only that, he predicted to MSNBC’s Luke Russert that as many as two dozen more moderate Republicans could join him in opposing the “Ted Cruz wing.”
“I can tell you about 25 people on Saturday night who told me they were definitely going to vote no,” he said. “Now, at high noon you don’t how many of that 25 are going to stay committed, but there’s real opposition.”
Moderate Republican Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania also called on Boehner to accede to Obama’s demands and offer a clean continuing resolution.
“The hour glass is already empty and it’s time that we pass a clean CR,” he told reporters.
Devin Nunes of California told reporters he was voting for the
bill, but that the House GOP was acting “like lemmings with suicide
vests” intent on provoking a crisis with unrealistic demands.
“They have to be more than just a lemming,” he said of the House’s
conservative wing. “Because jumping to your death is not enough.”On the right, tea party rabble rousers like Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota will oppose the latest bill because it doesn’t go far enough in opposing Obamacare.
“For what I have done with my life as a federal tax lawyer, I wouldn’t negotiate with myself, because then I wouldn’t have a strong position,” Bachmann told reporters. It’s important we come at this with strength.”
According to Yahoo’s Chris Moody, Louie Gohmert of Texas will also oppose the bill on similar grounds.
Boehner can only afford to lose 16 Republicans votes, give or take 1 or 2 Democrats who might cross over. If his latest bill fails, it will severely damage his leverage by demonstrating his caucus is too divided to even reach a consensus starting point on negotiations.
A similar revolt during the 2012 fiscal cliff fight over the Bush tax cuts and sequestration ended with Boehner asking the Senate to reach a compromise instead, which he then passed over conservative objections with help from Democrats in the House. In this case, the damage would be greater as Democrats would likely assume Boehner’s position was compromised on the debt ceiling as well. After all, if moderates and conservatives revolt when a shutdown deadline gets close, why wouldn’t they do the same thing for the far more dangerous default deadline?
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It kind of makes you wonder if Boehner will survive as House Speaker with this GOP "Civil War" going on now?
It kind of makes you wonder if Boehner will survive as House Speaker with this GOP "Civil War" going on now?
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