At
numerous points during the presidential campaign, Donald Trump
described the top ranks of U.S. military leadership as plagued by
incompetence. He famously said he knew more than the generals about
battling the Islamic State ― they “don’t know much because they’re not
winning.” He bluntly called civilian leadership “stupid” since “weak”
was insufficient.
So it was a bit jarring last week to see Trump admit he could be taught at least one thing from at least one general. In an
interview with the New York Times,
the president-elect said Gen. James Mattis changed his view about the
efficacy of torture as a tool of interrogation when the two met,
ostensibly to discuss the post of secretary of the Department of
Defense.
“I asked him that question. I said, what do you think of waterboarding?”
Trump told the paper.
“He said — I was surprised — he said, ‘I’ve never found it to be
useful.’ He said, ‘I’ve always found, give me a pack of cigarettes and a
couple of beers and I do better with that than I do with torture.’”
For those appalled by the prospect of the U.S. adopting torture once
again as counterterrorism tactic, the rest of Trump’s interview wasn’t
quite as soothing. He went on to suggest that he could change his mind
once more if he sensed the public clamoring for the use of
waterboarding.
Still, the fact that the president-elect allowed himself to be moved
off his campaign promise based on such an anodyne conversation is a
remarkable statement about both Trump himself and the way he will
govern. It also raises a question of immense consequence: Is Trump’s
worldview this malleable, or are his statements the product of an
impetuous mindset? (Or is it both?)
Those around Trump admit he hasn’t given these policy topics much
thought. He comes, first and foremost, from the world of business, not
politics. And when he ran for president, he didn’t think his chances of
winning were particularly high. With the campaign season giving way to
the transition to governance, his views have begun to fully congeal out
of interest and necessity.
“He has always been very receptive to ideas,” said Sean Spicer, a top
official at the Republican National Committee and an adviser to Trump.
“That’s what I think people have gotten wrong. He wants to know your
plan and how and why you want to get there. And if he thinks that you
have a competent plan to achieve success he’ll say, OK, let’s get it
done.”
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