I'm from another Era

My youngest daughter considers me to be some kind of dinosaur because my views suit the 1960s and 1970s progressives more than the view of progressives now.

For example, in the 1960s and 1970s my point of view was that people shouldn't kill with clubs or guns African American men or Gay men because some people did stuff like this then, especially in the south where people would just disappear and be buried in someone's back yard if they "didn't meet the criteria".

My point of view all along was that African American Young men and Gay men shouldn't be killed on the streets just for being what they were.

At the time there was nothing about Gay people getting married or having children or any of that sort of thing. Even I at the time might have wondered about this and I'm still thinking that this may or may not be good for society long term.

In fact, one way to look at this is this is one of ISIS and Al Qaeda's Battle cries in order to gain recruits from all over the world. So, the more rights gay people have the more people are going to die from groups like ISIS.

So, this is something to think about too during the next 1000 years or so.

Whenever you radically change society in some new way there are always unknown repercussions both good and bad.

So, I'm hopeful what is happening will lead to more peace in the world instead of more warfare and torture.

However, at this point I'm not so sure when I think about how many are going to die for each right given to each person on earth who is gay or black worldwide.

I wonder if anyone has done research on stuff like this?

I think it might be a point we need to look at worldwide. Because every social change we make here in the U.S. or Europe has opposite reactions around the world in places still living 12th century values.

So, how many lives will be lost for each change in social mores we make here in the U.S. or Europe or Australia or Canada or New Zealand or all over the western world?

Maybe the contrasts between cultures can only get worse and not better until there is a nuclear war and we are all dead. I don't know the answer to this at present.

Each person has to do what they believe in the end. However, there will always be consequences to each and every action or inaction everywhere on earth.

I think 1000 years from now  you still might have Islamic people killing Gay people by throwing them off of roofs like they do now around the world in Islamic countries. This is unfortunate but likely true.

But, people are going to do whatever they are going to do worldwide and it is usually because of ignorance and superstition that they will do most of what they do (at least for the next 1000 years or so).

You likely cannot educate really more than 1/7th to 1/8th of the world to act and to think like they do in the U.S. and Europe.

So, the bloodshed can only continue worldwide.

I think this is a realistic useful pragmatic point of view even if it is not idealistic like most people want.

However, to not realize the consequences of our actions is for more people to die than necessary worldwide violently. And this might be important to consider in our actions too.

However, one thing I find very paradoxical about all this which is that in Asian and Middle Eastern countries sexual laiasons between men are common and always have been from the middle East to Japan all across the middle East and Asia. In fact, when I was in India men could be seen holding hands or with arms around each other in great affection for each other. To most of these cultures any sex that didn't result in babies was quietly tolerated if not condoned secretly. However, in contrast men and women in many cultures are not allowed to be seen holding hands or kissing or hugging in public.

So, it is important to realize just how different cultures from the middle east through China and Japan are about all this kind of stuff. It is completely different many places than anywhere in the U.S. or Europe.

So, on one level the complaint against Gayness is extremely hypocritical for these cultures. Maybe it is about the fact that this is all closeted and not open in those cultures but men hanging all over each other holding hands and with arms around each other would be okay much more in many of these countries than even now in the U.S. or Europe for example.

So, what I'm thinking it isn't the actual gayness that people are upset about because they appear to be okay with all this as long as it is closeted and out of sight. Rather what I'm thinking the problem is is when Gay people in the U.S. or Europe get married and have children. I'm thinking that this is the REAL problem they are having which is making them crazy in their cultures about the whole thing and making them crazy enough to kill people like they were killed in Orlando, Florida.

What do you think?