Friday, September 19, 2014

Thinking Twice on Alibaba

Thinking Twice on Alibaba

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They lined up hundreds deep at the Waldorf-Astoria hotel in New York earlier this month to hear Alibaba's executive chairman, Jack Ma, promote the Chinese Internet retailer's initial public offering.
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Alibaba Group generated so much hype for its initial public offering that Wall Street opened trading of the stock Friday at $92.70, skyrocketing from the China-based company’s proposed price of $68 – shattering Wall Street records and valuing the company at $230 billion. http://ow.ly/BHmul


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Investors love a good story.
They lined up hundreds deep at the Waldorf-Astoria hotel in New York earlier this month to hear Alibaba’s executive chairman, Jack Ma, promote the Chinese Internet retailer’s initial public offering.
“It was a zoo,” said Vincent Rivers, senior portfolio manager for the London-based investment firm J. O. Hambro Capital Management. “There must have been 400 people waiting in line. Everybody was there. It was like a social event.”
The shy, somewhat awkward Mr. Ma opened by saying that he’d first come to the United States 15 years ago looking for about $2 million in capital. “Now,” he said, "I’m asking for slightly more.”
The line drew a knowing laugh from the crowd — Alibaba was asking for nearly $22 billion, the biggest I.P.O. ever in the United States — but Mr. Ma should probably keep his day job. What the crowd really wanted to hear about was Alibaba’s growth, and Mr. Ma didn’t disappoint them.
A few vivid charts and statistics told the story. Alibaba is already the world’s largest Internet commerce company, with 231 million active buyers using its site, 11.3 billion annual orders and $296 billion in annual merchandise sales, a measure Alibaba uses instead of revenue.
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Investors and Alibaba employees arrive at the Waldorf-Astoria hotel on Monday for a presentation by Jack Ma. CreditBryan Thomas for The New York Times
To put this in perspective, Amazon has less than $82 billion in revenue. EBay has just over $17 billion.
But what excites Alibaba’s potential investors isn’t only its size, but its prospects for getting bigger. China currently has 302 million Internet shoppers. That’s less than half the country’s 618 million Internet users. And Internet penetration in China is less than half the country’s population of about 1.35 billion. Competition from brick-and-mortar retailers in China is far less than in the United States, which should also drive increases in Internet shopping.
“The potential is absolutely massive,” Mr. Rivers said. “The real question isn’t whether they’ll have more users. It’s how much will they spend.” Chinese Internet shoppers spend far less per person than in the United States. “If you look long term and they can close that gap, you can get to some huge numbers,” he said.
Alibaba also has enviably high profit margins of more than 40 percent, which even by Internet standards, let alone retail, is extraordinary. Amazon has struggled for decades to eke out a slender profit. EBay has an operating margin of 20 percent and Google 23 percent.
Alibaba is the dominant e-commerce company in China by far, which, along with the high margins, suggests that it’s the kind of natural monopoly beloved by investors. Alibaba itself attributes this to the so-called network effect. “The interactions between buyers and sellers create network effects in that more merchants attract more consumers, and more consumers attract more merchants,” the company asserts in its prospectus.
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Behind the Appeal of Alibaba

Behind the Appeal of Alibaba

James B. Stewart discusses on CBNC the reasons for investor interest in Alibaba, as well as the reasons for concern.
 Publish DateSeptember 19, 2014. 
And Alibaba keeps profits large by dispensing with the high-cost, low-margin businesses that have dogged Internet retailers in the United States. Alibaba is simply a platform for connecting buyers and sellers. “We do not engage in direct sales, compete with our merchants or hold inventory,” the prospectus notes.
I was on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange on Friday morning, where the excitement of newly minted billions was palpable. The Alibaba trading station occupied the center of the floor, where it was surrounded by a throng of “V.I.P. guests” squeezed behind velvet ropes. The street outside was packed, the balconies were crowded with onlookers and cheers went up every time the indicated opening price was adjusted upward. Mr. Ma rang the opening bell and dropped in on the on-floor set of CNBC.
Alibaba was priced on Thursday night at $68 a share. And on Friday, pent-up demand drove the opening price to $92.70. The stock immediately rose from there and ended the day at $93.89.
Perhaps some stocks should reflect what I’ll call an “excitement premium,” which in Alibaba’s case is surely significant. That’s fine until the excitement wears off. For a more sobering view, I turned to Bruce Greenwald, co-author of “Competition Demystified” and “Value Investing,” and a finance professor at Columbia Business School. Value investors like Professor Greenwald, by nature, tend to be skeptical of stories, especially when those stories are as rosy as Alibaba’s. Still, Professor Greenwald said he agreed with much of the Alibaba thesis. “There’s no doubt they benefit from a network effect and they have growth potential,” he said.
But value investors tend to prefer numbers to words, and Alibaba’s numbers, impressive as they are, may give some investors pause.
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Jack Ma, the chief executive of Alibaba, outside the New York Stock Exchange Friday morning.CreditTodd Heisler/The New York Times
At $68 a share, Alibaba’s market capitalization is about $168 billion. It’s hard to find a United States company that’s directly comparable, but Professor Greenwald said eBay comes the closest. Like Alibaba, it has an auction site that benefits from a powerful network effect, it offers a vast e-commerce site and it has a pay system, PayPal. (While Alibaba spun off its payment system, Alipay, Alibaba will get a share of the proceeds from any sale or public offering of Alipay.) EBay’s market capitalization is about $65 billion.
Of course, eBay doesn’t dominate e-commerce in the United States to the degree that Alibaba does in China. But is it reasonable to assume such dominance will persist as the Chinese market matures? No one company dominates e-commerce in the United States or in Europe, and none are as large as old-economy Walmart. China may now be underserved by national brick-and-mortar chains, but that could change. Professor Greenwald said he believed that Alibaba deserved a premium to eBay — perhaps twice eBay’s market capitalization. “But three times? That’s really pushing it,” he said.
Then, there‘s the most common valuation metric, the price-to-earnings ratio. At $68 a share, Alibaba’s is just over 40. EBay had a loss in its most recent quarter, so it has no P/E ratio. But over eBay’s life as a publicly traded company, its P/E ratio has averaged a little over 26.
No Chinese Internet company is quite like Alibaba, so comparisons with Chinese stocks are difficult. But Baidu, China’s version of Google, which also benefits from network effects and the growth in Chinese Internet use, has a market capitalization of about $80 billion, and a P/E ratio of 45. Tencent Holdings, which is classified as social media rather than e-commerce, although it has elements of both, is even further afield. Its market capitalization of $147 billion is also smaller than Alibaba’s, although its P/E ratio is a steep 51.
Alibaba’s valuation may not be outrageous, but to Professor Greenwald, these comparisons are “pretty scary.” He added, “There’s a lot of hype in Alibaba, and that’s what you’re seeing in the price.”
That doesn’t change the Alibaba story, and sometimes a story is enough. Amazon is the leading example, a company that barely earns a profit and drives value investors crazy. Its market capitalization is $150 billion, nearly as big as Alibaba’s, and its P/E ratio is over 500. Investors buy the Amazon story, which is that Internet commerce dominance is just over the horizon, along with huge profits.
After Alibaba’s presentation in New York, “I’d say the mood was excitement,” Mr. Rivers said. “There really wasn’t much new, but there was significant buzz that this is a great growth opportunity."
Investors, Mr. Rivers added, "want to be able to say they’d been there.”

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