Friday, July 22, 2022

bringing Trump to Justice vs. protecting the office of the president vs. maintaining our system of Government

 Without bringing Trump to justice for both his actions and non-actions and dereliction of duty our system of government could easily fall within 5 to 10 years. Why? Because the rule of law and the Constitution will be undermined and tend to end our system of government because we aren't taking the rule of law seriously enough.

So, protecting the office of president on one level doesn't mean anything at all if you don't have a system of government where protecting the office of president actually exists.

So, the fundamental question is: "Will we protect our system of governance by prosecuting Trump and his cronies?"

We don't have fully the answer to this question yet simply because:

People are afraid of starting another violent civil war here in our nation and almost no one wants this, especially if they are American citizens and not an enemy nation like Russia or China.

That's the other problem right now: Nations like Russia and China have an interest in causing the collapse of our government any way possible. So, while we protect our nation from within we must also protect our nation from without.

I have long thought that if Trump was going to be prosecuted that he might go to another country that doesn't allow extradition and begin a civil war here in the U.S. from there. This is another potential problem with a man with his own jet or jets that he can hop on in 20 minutes and fly anywhere with.

If you look at this graph all the orange countries have no extradition to the U.S. for prosecution:

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https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-without-extradition

Countries Without Extradition 2022

Extradition Treaty?NoYes
Russia
Extradition Treaty?: No
Diplomatic Relations w/ US: Yes

Extradition is a formal, cooperative law enforcement process between two countries in which a person who is accused or convicted of a crime in the first country, but who fled to the second country, can be legally extracted from that second country and returned to the first, where they can be processed by the justice system. Ordinarily, once a person crosses a national border, representatives from the first country cannot pursue them. People seeking to evade arrest occasionally rely upon this legal loophole and cross into a different country. Extradition counteracts this tactic by establishing cooperation between the law enforcement agencies of both the first and second countries.

As advancements in technology have enabled criminal organizations to operate on an international scale, extradition has become an increasingly vital tool for law enforcement agencies. Extradition enables countries to apprehend fugitives and other wanted criminals involved in crimes such as terrorism, counterfeiting, drug trafficking, and cybercrime even if those fugitives are hiding halfway around the world—provided they are hiding in a country with which the first country has an extradition treaty.

How extradition treaties work

Extraditions between any two countries are typically regulated by an extradition treaty, which outlines the specific offenses for which a person can and cannot be extradited from that country. For example, the U.S. could not extradite draft dodgers from Canada during the Vietnam era because draft evasion was not listed as an extraditable offense on the U.S./Canada extradition treaty. However, burglary and arson were listed as eligible offenses, so anyone suspected of those crimes could be apprehended by Canadian officials and handed over to U.S. law enforcement. Extradition treaties also outline the process of requesting and processing an extradition between the two countries.

Every list of countries without extradition is different

Extradition treaties are specific to any two countries. For example, an extradition treaty between the United States and Canada would be useless if a fugitive instead went south to Mexico, so the U.S. also established a separate extradition treaty with Mexico. All told, the United States has extradition treaties with 107 countries worldwide.

However, because every country must create its own extradition treaties, the United States' list of extradition treaties is likely to vary, at least slightly, from France's list, China's list, Russia's list, and so on. Likewise, any list of countries without extradition will vary depending upon the main country in question.

Countries without extradition

With 193 United-Nations-recognized countries in the world (as well as territories and observer states), there are bound to be countries that have no extradition treaty with one another. These countries often become havens for those sought by law enforcement officials. For example, the U.S. has no extradition treaty with China. This means that a person suspected of or convicted of a crime in the U.S., but who made it to China, cannot be apprehended and forced to return to the U.S. to face trial or punishment.

Even in nations with treaties in place, geopolitical issues or legal concerns can lead to disputes over extradition. For example, countries that have extradition treaties with the United States, but which are known to often refuse extradition requests anyway include EcuadorCubaBoliviaNicaraguaIcelandSwitzerlandVenezuela, and Zimbabwe. On the other hand, countries such as Spain and Yemen are known for returning fugitives even without an official extradition treaty.

As a rule, extradition is highly likely when both countries involved have an established extradition treaty. When the two countries involved lack a formal treaty, but have existing diplomatic relations, extradition is entirely possible, but with reduced likelihood. Extradition is least likely in countries that have neither a treaty nor diplomatic relations with one another. However, extradition treaties are not legally binding, so any country may choose to fulfill or deny any extradition request regardless of the existence or lack of a treaty or diplomatic relationship.

The non-extradition of Edward Snowden

One of the most well-known stories surrounding the issue of extradition is the story of U.S. whistleblower Edward Snowden, a former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) employee who first flew to Hong Kong and then leaked highly classified information from the National Security Agency (NSA) in 2013. When Snowden fled from Hong Kong to Russia (reportedly en route to Latin America), he was held at the Moscow airport for more than a month as authorities from several countries negotiated his possible safe passage or extradition.

Russia had proposed a treaty with the United States asking for the mutual extradition of criminals—however, the U.S. never agreed to the treaty, and because the U.S. had never extradited any Russian fugitives who had taken asylum in the United States, there was no established precedent to follow. Moreover, Snowden had not broken any Russian laws. Snowden was granted asylum in Russia, where he eventually found work, founded a San Francisco-based non-profit, wrote a successful book, and was joined by his girlfriend, who later became his wife. As of 2021, he continues to live in Russia.

Countries Without Extradition 2022

*Extradition is most likely between countries that have an established extradition treaty, and less likely in countries that lack a formal treaty, but have existing diplomatic relations. Extradition is unlikely in countries that have neither a treaty nor diplomatic relations.
CountryExtradition Treaty? Diplomatic Relations w/ US
ChinaNoYes
IndonesiaNoYes
BangladeshNoYes
RussiaNoYes
EthiopiaNoYes
DR CongoNoYes
VietnamNoYes
IranNoNo diplomatic relations with U.S.
UgandaNoYes
SudanNoYes
AlgeriaNoYes
AfghanistanNoYes
UkraineNoYes
MoroccoNoYes
Saudi ArabiaNoYes
AngolaNoYes
UzbekistanNoYes
YemenNoYes
MozambiqueNoYes
NepalNoYes
MadagascarNoYes
Ivory CoastNoYes
CameroonNoYes
NigerNoYes
North KoreaNoNo diplomatic relations with U.S.
TaiwanNoTerritory not formally recognized by U.S.
Burkina FasoNoYes
MaliNoYes
SyriaNoNo diplomatic relations with U.S.
KazakhstanNoYes
ChadNoYes
SomaliaNoYes
SenegalNoYes
CambodiaNoYes
GuineaNoYes
RwandaNoYes
BeninNoYes
BurundiNoYes
TunisiaNoYes
South SudanNoYes
AzerbaijanNoTerritory not formally recognized by U.S.
TajikistanNoYes
BelarusNoYes
United Arab EmiratesNoYes
TogoNoYes
LaosNoYes
LibyaNoYes
KyrgyzstanNoYes
TurkmenistanNoYes
Central African RepublicNoYes
LebanonNoYes
PalestineNoTerritory not formally recognized by U.S.
MauritaniaNoYes
OmanNoYes
KuwaitNoYes
GeorgiaNoTerritory not formally recognized by U.S.
EritreaNoYes
MongoliaNoYes
MoldovaNoYes
ArmeniaNoYes
GambiaNoYes
QatarNoYes
BotswanaNoYes
NamibiaNoYes
GabonNoYes
Guinea BissauNoYes
Equatorial GuineaNoYes
BahrainNoYes
Timor LesteNoYes
CyprusNoTerritory not formally recognized by U.S.
DjiboutiNoYes
ComorosNoYes
BhutanNoNo diplomatic relations with U.S.
Cape VerdeNoYes
Western SaharaNoTerritory not formally recognized by U.S.
MaldivesNoYes
BruneiNoYes
VanuatuNoYes
Sao Tome And PrincipeNoYes
SamoaNoYes
AndorraNoYes
Vatican CityNoYes
IndiaYesYes
PakistanYesYes
NigeriaYesYes
BrazilYesYes
MexicoYesYes
JapanYesYes
PhilippinesYesYes
EgyptYesYes
TurkeyYesYes
GermanyYesYes
ThailandYesYes
United KingdomYesYes
TanzaniaYesYes
FranceYesYes
South AfricaYesYes
ItalyYesYes
MyanmarYesYes
KenyaYesYes
ColombiaYesYes
South KoreaYesYes
SpainYesYes
ArgentinaYesYes
IraqYesYes
PolandYesYes
CanadaYesYes
PeruYesYes
MalaysiaYesYes
GhanaYesYes
VenezuelaYesYes
AustraliaYesYes
Sri LankaYesYes
MalawiYesYes
ZambiaYesYes
RomaniaYesYes
ChileYesYes
EcuadorYesYes
GuatemalaYesYes
NetherlandsYesYes
ZimbabweYesYes
BoliviaYesYes
BelgiumYesYes
HaitiYesYes
JordanYesYes
Dominican RepublicYesYes
CubaYesYes
SwedenYesYes
Czech RepublicYesYes
HondurasYesYes
GreeceYesYes
PortugalYesYes
Papua New GuineaYesYes
HungaryYesYes
IsraelYesYes
AustriaYesYes
SwitzerlandYesYes
Sierra LeoneYesYes
Hong KongYesYes
SerbiaYesYes
NicaraguaYesYes
BulgariaYesYes
ParaguayYesYes
El SalvadorYesYes
SingaporeYesYes
Republic of the CongoYesYes
DenmarkYesYes
SlovakiaYesYes
FinlandYesYes
NorwayYesYes
LiberiaYesYes
New ZealandYesYes
Costa RicaYesYes
IrelandYesYes
PanamaYesYes
CroatiaYesYes
UruguayYesYes
Bosnia And HerzegovinaYesYes
AlbaniaYesYes
JamaicaYesYes
LithuaniaYesYes
LesothoYesYes
SloveniaYesYes
North MacedoniaYesYes
LatviaYesYes
Trinidad And TobagoYesYes
EstoniaYesYes
MauritiusYesYes
EswatiniYesYes
FijiYesYes
GuyanaYesYes
Solomon IslandsYesYes
LuxembourgYesYes
MontenegroYesYes
SurinameYesYes
MaltaYesYes
BahamasYesYes
BelizeYesYes
IcelandYesYes
BarbadosYesYes
Saint LuciaYesYes
KiribatiYesYes
GrenadaYesYes
MicronesiaYesYes
SeychellesYesYes
TongaYesYes
Saint Vincent And the GrenadinesYesYes
Antigua And BarbudaYesYes
DominicaYesYes
Saint Kitts And NevisYesYes
Marshall IslandsYesYes
LiechtensteinYesYes
MonacoYesYes
San MarinoYesYes
PalauYesYes
NauruYesYes
TuvaluYesYes

Countries Without Extradition 2022

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